JOB 38


Elihu had finished his speech to Job and his 3 friends, emphasising God's righteousness...

The 38th chapter of Job echoes Pslm 148, that the heavens and the earth praise Yahweh. *

1 Then Yahweh answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

Whirlwind (symbol of divine power)

That God should deign to speak to man at all -- especially to one calling His ways in question -- is a tremendous condescension in itself, a tremendous and unique honour, and manifestation of love for Job.

...God's answer was to give no answer, but to manifest a God so great that no answer was needed. To need an explanation and justification of anything God does is to have a degraded and unacceptable conception of God.


He is infinitely above all question and accountability.


Bro Growcott - Doth God Fear Job for Nought

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.


4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

The geological structure - core, mantle, crust, lithosphere, tectonic plates - ocean basins. Landscapes, mountain ranges, hills valleys, rivers. and streams, sweet atmosphere.

Where was man, where was Job when these mighty physical forces were at work fashioning the planet, and making it a fit habitation for man through successive dispensations and catastrophes. When he balanced and measured and configured its layout with relation to Israel (Deut. 32.8).

No chance, no just happened, no mere combination of undirected matter in motion. Declare if thou hast understanding. 

Boffins analyse and scrutinize, but their godless theories are the arrogant, blasphemous speculations of the flesh. *


5 Who hath laid the measures [Who hath drafted the dimensions] thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?


6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened [set]? or who laid the corner stone [even-pinnah] thereof;

7 When the morning stars [kokhvei boker] sang together, and all the sons of Elohim [Bnei Elohim] shouted for joy?

This was the commencement of the present cosmos regarding this dispensation with the earth, already formed but in bohu and tohu (Gen. 1: 2).

Where was Job?

But the dawn of a milleniel seventh day will be a greater rejoicing. *



This inquiry teaches, that before the earth was fitted up Mosaically, or as Moses has described in Genesis; the Supreme Power existed in multitudinous manifestation. The plurality was composed of intelligences styled "Stars of the Morning" and "Sons of Elohim" the former kokvai voker, and the latter benai Elohim.

In Rev. 22: 16, the glorified Jesus is styled "the bright and morning Star." The enquiry put to Job showed that there were many such before Adam was created, and that these stars are sons of Elohim, even as Jesus is Son of Eloahh.

The word bain, signifies a son, from banah, to build. A son is the thing built. The Stars of Morning Light were things built and made resplendent by Ail, whose spirit formed and illuminated them. His Spirit was their atomic nucleus, the organic principle that made them what they are. As intelligences created and made, they were "Sons of" or benai; and the Spirit of Ail, the Great Paternal Power, became Eloahh to each of them, and so constituting each of them bain eloahh, a Son of Power, and all of them collectively benai Elohim, Sons of Power, -- the One Spirit of the Supreme paternal Power multitudinously organised.

Our proposition then, is that Moses and the Prophets teach, that there was One Primary Creating Power and a multitude of Secondary Powers, as intimately connected with and dependent on the First, as ten or a hundred are upon number one; and that this multiplication of the One Power in the relation of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, was in existence before the Mosaic Creation...

...The Supreme Power has not only a Son, but a multitude of sons, and all of them partaking of His nature, or spirit-substance, hypostasis. The Supreme Power, or Ail, is "the Godhead," or source, fountain, or sole spring of Power.

Moses and the prophets do not teach that "there are three persons, three essences, three somethings, or three anythings, in the Godhead; and that these three distinct units, or unities, constitute only one unit or one Unity -- and that that Tri-Unity is the God of Israel." They do not teach this. This is the foolishness of the Old Man of the Flesh.

They teach the absolute oneness of the Power-Head. "Before me," as written in Isaiah 43:10, 11, "Ail" was not created, nor after me shall be: I, I shall be (anoke, anoke, Yahweh); and NONE WITHOUT ME A SAVIOUR.

Phanerosis - One Deity in Multiplicity


8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?



9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

"Let there be light ", said the Creative Power, in its angelic instruments, and instantly the darkness was irradiated before a way had been opened for the sun's bright rays. 

When men visit some underground darkness in which light is desirable, they strike a match and light a lamp. The angels have facilities in this respect of which we know nothing. They can evoke light from the common elements around them, by the exercise of volition. They can cause their own bodies to glow with electric brightness, of which their Bible history furnishes many illustrations.

It was no difficulty for them to cause light before the sun -- which seems such a staggerer to some of our wise critics. They (the angels) have many ways of operating. Perhaps they so rarefied the cloud-fog that overspread the earth as to allow a dim diffusion of sunlight such as we have on a dull day, and so caused night and day to be incipiently apparent, 

"for the evening and the morning were the first day".

Whichever way they did it, they could do it, and they did it, and performed a great feat of power which was enough for one day. On the second day, they acted on the atmosphere so that the lighter aqueous vapours floated in clouds and the heavier elements were precipitated as water thus establishing a firmament which 

"divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament".

This also was an operation involving an inconceivable expenditure of power, When the immense mass of the atmosphere acted on is considered.

Law of Moses Ch 5

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10 And brake up for it my decreed place [fixed bounds for it], and set bars and doors,

Seas, oceans, clouds and waves. When the continents emerged from the waters (Gen. l: 9,10), the seas rose and fell. The great flood (Gen.6), when the bounds of the sea broke loose and swallowed up the land, wiping out all flesh.

Who controls this balance between land and sea, the sea shore, and the tides, going and returning daily, the oceans, their currents and pathways, the clouds and hydrological cycles?

Now this balance is being destroyed and God will destroy those who destroy the earth (Rev.11:18). *



11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

It is said that the earth rotates on its axis at 1600kms (1000 miles) per hour; if it were 160kms (100 mph), our days and nights would be 10 times as long, and the hot sun would likely burn up the vegetation, whilst surviving sprouts would freeze or die in the long night. Every part of the creation is in harmony with the work of the Creator, and performs its remarkable work. Job was being taught that as he could not plumb the mysteries of creation, not understand the way in which all nature works -- so he was unable to understand the purpose of trial, and the reason for suffering. That great mystery is about to be revealed to him, and by which he will see "the end of Yahweh" (James 5:11).

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13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31   Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?



33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

There are laws of heaven that man does not even begin to comprehend, nor is he even aware of, which are entirely beyond the range of every day physics. The fact that there are laws which govern Creation and the heavens and matter and energy show itself that there is a lawgiver, a Creator, a great mathematician, since mathematics is the rule of Heaven and earth, from the smallest bacterium or virus to the most distant galaxy. 

From DNA to solar energy, from the speed of light to the blink of an eye. DNA itself confutes evolution since it is a computer code system which must have intelligence behind it (the first law of Information Science). *

* Bro Richard Lister


34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart? 

The First Cause

By whatever name people may please to designate the cause, that cause, combining wisdom and power, is God and nothing else. That we cannot understand God, is no obstacle. Whatever we may call it, we are in the presence of that which cannot be understood. Who can understand eternity?

Who can understand "force"? To put away God and give us "force" is not relieving us of any difficulty; it is not giving us anything we can understand better.

It is rather increasing our difficulty; for if passive, mindless force can produce a creation like that which we see around us, bearing the stamp of matchless wisdom, both in its general form and its minutest arrangements, then is force a more wonderful god than the God of Israel; for the God of Israel declares to us He has made all these things by His power and His wisdom, while scientific Atheism would give us a god possessed of neither - a blind god - a sleeping god - a god that slept for ages and then woke up without a cause and proceeded to "evolve" at a rate of progress suggestive of wonderful sloth in the first case.

The Visible Hand of God Ch 2





37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?



41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto El, they wander for lack of meat.

The lion and the raven. God provides for these creatures both entirely different in their needs and demands, to survive, and in their usefulness in the economy and balance of nature. The wonderful harmony of God's wonderful creation which we take for granted at our peril, and which is blasphemy to do so.

"For thy pleasure they were and are created." (Rev 4.11).

Look to the hills, from whence cometh my help. My help cometh from Yahweh which made heaven and earth.

Could Job provide for the lions and the ravens in the natural order? No. The complexity of the ecosystems involved were completely outside and beyond man's remit. The lion, king of beasts roaring and rending its prey.

Armageddon is a battle of lions (Judah's lion, Assyrian lion, Tarshish lion). The ravens will clean up the rotting bodies left from the terrible war to end all wars rending and tearing (Ezk.38, Pslm.79.2,3,  EZk.39. 12,13).

Bro Richard Lister -

The Apocalyptic Messenger, Nov 2016

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